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I'm an graphic/web designer and illustrator who works freelance. I personally find freelancing much more profitable than actually starting a company, although I'm always advised the opposite. What is your view on Freelancing in comparison to launching a Startup? Is it still considered entrepreneurship? :)

asked Jan 19 '10 at 14:22

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Maya Zankoul
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IMO startups should have some new idea, something different than what other companies do or offer, they should have a product.
Freelancing on the other hand is working on your own time to offer services, whats good about it is that you are in control of your schedule,your work pace and your working time.

Startups are about the idea more than the company

Is it still considered entrepreneurship?
who cares! as long as your are having fun everything is ok

answered Jan 19 '10 at 15:18

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W43L :D u make it sounds so simple.. i love ur perspective on things... thanks!

(Jan 19 '10 at 22:04) Maya Zankoul Maya%20Zankoul's gravatar image

well... you know what they say, “If it's not fun, you're not doing it right” (:

(Jan 19 '10 at 22:38) w43L w43L's gravatar image

I think any sort of activity where you're working for yourself is entrepreneurship. Freelancing and starting a company are slightly different things in my opinion, but then, what I think might be the total opposite of what someone else thinks.

I guess my definition of freelancing versus startup is that freelancing is more about offering a service or services to other companies or individuals for money. A startup is more about offering a product or a range of products to other companies and customers. The confusing part is that the product you're offering can sometimes be the same service you offered as a freelancer! :)

answered Jan 19 '10 at 14:55

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Eamonn Carey
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thanks for ur answer eamonn! yea ur right about service vs. product. very nice way to put it!

(Jan 19 '10 at 22:05) Maya Zankoul Maya%20Zankoul's gravatar image

Maya,

I have faced same situation for quite some time and here is the difference scale. When you are a freelance you are a single man/woman company, you derive enough economy based on different factors like skill, experience etc. But above all your limited time (24 hours a day) is your upper bound to your economy.

You build a company to remove that upper bound by recruiting and managing different people to take on lost contracts due to your scale problem. Then you are a service company. The situation is a bit better but not a whole a lot. Scale is still bound to the # of people in your company. To grow contracts you have to grow people and managing a large number of people is so hard.

Of course the term startup applies to all sorts of starting companies, but I think you are talking about blockbuster's :), in that case you try to avoid labor intensive services that cause the above scale problem by creating a product that derives the economy other than # of people in your company.

I would suggest that your read this book ASAP, http://www.amazon.com/Business-Software-Manager-Programmer-Entrepreneur/dp/074321580X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263914181&sr=1-1

answered Jan 19 '10 at 15:17

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Nader Soliman
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Thanks for your answer & advise Nader! :D really appreciated. Gonna order this book on Amazon and try reading it (i have a phobia of businessy writings, I'm an artist :P but I am willing to make the effort!! Thanks again :)

(Jan 19 '10 at 22:03) Maya Zankoul Maya%20Zankoul's gravatar image

Your welcome, wishing you the best in your career, and I like your comics "as much as you want" :D

(Jan 20 '10 at 04:22) Nader Soliman Nader%20Soliman's gravatar image

Haha thank you! :D I'm glad you do.. Stay tuned for more.....

(Jan 20 '10 at 08:32) Maya Zankoul Maya%20Zankoul's gravatar image

A designer friend of mine goes through this debate on a daily basis. My main argument to her for establishment of some form of legal entity that shifts the set-up from freelance to startup is to enable her to grow out of a 1-person show with the help of sub-contractors or junior designers as her workload increases.

More importantly, I personally feel there is more protection for you should you set up a legal entity when dealing with clients. It might be nothing more than perception, but clients would be more reluctant to renege on an agreement when dealing with a company. Some clients are also averse to dealing with individuals so there's also the added benefit of greater opportunity (example: Government and semi-gov organizations that require bids and tenders)

Lastly, there are so many opportunities presented to start-ups in the form of assistance programs, access to funds, training, business development opportunities, etc... that you wouldn't qualify for as an individual.

answered Jan 19 '10 at 15:30

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In most of the European countries (at least the Netherlands to be exact), in order to work as a freelancer you have to be legal and apply for a VAT number, and in order to get a VAT number you have to register yourself as a "company" (it actually says that in the application). So basically there is no difference between a freelancer and a one person company. Once legalized you usually employ, on hourly basis, "freelancers|/"one person companies" offering you services such as book-keeping, tax consultancy, legal advisory, etc. Eventually the more your company grows the more it differs from a "freelance"/"one person" state, when you start hiring more people with different and specific tasks.

answered Jan 19 '10 at 16:05

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KHAJ! :D What are you doing here on YallaStartup haha! so good to see u here :D mr. official freelancer.. hope i'll achieve that someday.. miss u!!

(Jan 19 '10 at 22:05) Maya Zankoul Maya%20Zankoul's gravatar image

Maya, as per our conversation, there may be legal implications and responsabilities that ensue from the type of activity that you undertake as a freelancer, vs. as a corporation (SAL or SARL). For example, in your case, if you inadvertently offend someone with your comics or incur damages in any other way, and you are a freelancer, not an SARL, your own person (money, reputation, freedom) can be at risk.

For more information, and because the laws vary greatly from country to country, consult your lawyer;-) wikipedia has some info to get you started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9_%C3%A0_responsabilit%C3%A9_limit%C3%A9e#The_partners_of_a_limited_liability

answered Jan 25 '10 at 23:44

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Cool! Thanks a lot for taking the time to re-write everything :D See u soon ;-)

(Jan 26 '10 at 10:32) Maya Zankoul Maya%20Zankoul's gravatar image
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